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More fallout from the smoking ban. An upstate NY story.
Albany Times Union ^

Posted on 08/01/2003 7:02:56 AM PDT by 1Old Pro

 

As smoke clears, rivalries are revealed Albany -- Workplace smoking ban has prompted bar owners, bingo halls to squeal on their competition
 
By ANDREW TILGHMAN, Staff writer
First published: Friday, August 1, 2003
One week after the statewide no-smoking ban took effect, bar owners and bingo players are learning who their enemies are: each other.

Business operators ratting out the competition has accounted for as much as half the smoking complaints lodged with local health departments, officials said.

"You'd think these people would ban together, but obviously not," said Jack Parisi, director of environmental health for Schenectady County Public Health Services, who said a majority of the roughly 10 complaints the county has received have been from other businesses.

So far, however, local health officials are not issuing fines, only warnings. Under the new state law that prohibits smoking in virtually every workplace and public building, business owners can be fined up to $2,000 for violating the new Clean Indoor Air Act.

For now, health officials are sending warning letters or placing phone calls to notify establishments that a smoking complaint has been filed.

Within the next several weeks or months, inspectors will begin following up complaints with visits and citations.

Competition among bingo parlors in Rensselaer County has been fierce, where not-for-profit groups who depend on bingo fund-raising have reacted to the new law like warring nations reluctant to unilaterally disarm.

"I'm trying to negotiate a peace treaty," said Roy Champagne, director of environmental health for the Rensselaer County Health Department.

More than a dozen people from various bingo operations have called to report violations by their competitors, Champagne said. Some bingo operators were confused about the law and mistakenly thought they were exempt.

At the Italian Community Center in Troy, bingo operators permitted smoking last week but have since stopped, after speaking to local health department for a clarification of the rules.

"Our bread and butter is the bingo," said Joe Mazzariello, the group's treasurer. "We don't want to take any player from any other organization, but we don't want to lose our players to another organization that is a little more lax on the law."

Bar owners appear to be enforcing the ban more widely, and some patrons are staying at home, leaving early or stepping outside to smoke, and spending less money on drinks.

"We are enforcing it and it's killing us," said Eddie Shea, owner of Shea's Restaurant in Albany, who said his bar business is down nearly 40 percent.

Some bar owners are thinking of charging customers $1 for an ashtray in an effort to defray the risk of a fine. Others are considering setting aside $1,000 for a fine and permitting smoking until health officials take action, bar owners said.

Soon after the ban took effect on July 24, patrons at Guiseppe's Restaurant on Route 7 in Hoosick Falls began driving over to Vermont, where they could smoke, said the owner, who asked that he be identified only as Joe.

In response, the owner laid off two of his bartenders and began working the shifts himself, thinking perhaps the new law permits smoking in an owner-occupied bar.

Health officials say the law has no such exemption.

"I don't know how legal it is at this point," the owner said. "It would not be smart to put a sign up and say you can smoke here at this time. I don't think that would go over well."



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1 posted on 08/01/2003 7:02:56 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: 1Old Pro
These bar owners should stop their whining. As soon as the bars and restuarants are thoroughly aired out their establishments will be overflowing with happy, and big tipping, non-smokers.
2 posted on 08/01/2003 7:10:34 AM PDT by mr.pink
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To: 1Old Pro
They think business is bad now - just wait a few months when the snow starts falling and the temperature drops. These people need to band together and fight this ridiculous law!
3 posted on 08/01/2003 7:13:49 AM PDT by Gerish
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Upstate NY bump.
4 posted on 08/01/2003 7:14:50 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: mr.pink
As soon as the bars and restuarants are thoroughly aired out their establishments will be overflowing with happy, and big tipping, non-smokers.

If that were the case, why didn't the non-smokers overcrowd the previous bar/restaurants that were non-smoking?

5 posted on 08/01/2003 7:15:46 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: mr.pink
As soon as the bars and restuarants are thoroughly aired out their establishments will be overflowing with happy, and big tipping, non-smokers.

If you say so.

6 posted on 08/01/2003 7:16:32 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: Gerish
just wait a few months when the snow starts falling and the temperature drops.

Which is exactly why New England bans can't be compared with bans in better climate states, like California.

7 posted on 08/01/2003 7:17:09 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: *puff_list; SheLion; Gabz; Max McGarrity; Flurry
Puff!
Eating their own, just like crocodiles.
8 posted on 08/01/2003 7:17:46 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: mr.pink
These bar owners should stop their whining. As soon as the bars and restuarants are thoroughly aired out their establishments will be overflowing with happy, and big tipping, non-smokers.

Yeah, and if they ban blacks, their establishments will soon be overflowing with happy, and big tipping, bigots. Ever think it should be up to the owner, Mr. PinkO?

9 posted on 08/01/2003 7:20:08 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: 1Old Pro
This is the END of the tavern business. The type of person who will drop 10-15 dollars on drinks is likely a smoker, a practicioner of risky behavior. Generally non-smokers are a more cautious lot, will have one or at most two drinks. Where the smokers will go is unknown.
10 posted on 08/01/2003 7:20:43 AM PDT by Seajay (Ordo e Progresso)
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To: Just another Joe; 1Old Pro
Oops....I forgot the /sarcasm tag!

I have two friends in NYC, both with small bar/restuaranst that have been in business for a long time (one cose to 100 years)....both are close to being toast.
11 posted on 08/01/2003 7:22:08 AM PDT by mr.pink
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Ever think it should be up to the owner, Mr. PinkO?

Some people love government regulating other peoples lives to conform to what "they" like and how "they" think.

12 posted on 08/01/2003 7:22:35 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: mr.pink
Oops....I forgot the /sarcasm tag!

You better disregard the flames then.

13 posted on 08/01/2003 7:23:31 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: mr.pink
Oops....I forgot the /sarcasm tag

OK. I withdraw my "pinko". Be careful with that sarcasm stuff.

14 posted on 08/01/2003 7:25:11 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: 1Old Pro
I will....I thought "happy, and big tipping" was the giveaway that I was being sarcastic.

My fault.

And the poster a few comments up who said "wait `til winter" is dead on.

Maybe the bar owners should start to learn IT trades? /sarcasm ;o)
15 posted on 08/01/2003 7:26:41 AM PDT by mr.pink
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Correction---NON-TIPPING, non smokers--if you ask the people who work in this business--they'll tell you...
16 posted on 08/01/2003 7:27:16 AM PDT by litehaus
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To: Mr. Bird
My fault....lesson learned.
17 posted on 08/01/2003 7:27:25 AM PDT by mr.pink
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To: 1Old Pro
Again further proof that it is about control and has nothing to do with health. Not only is a law passed to control a segment of the population, then they are to lazy to enforce it themselves.....They expect the controled population to enforce the law that stole their freedom!

Total BS! Now I need a cig!
18 posted on 08/01/2003 7:29:22 AM PDT by CSM ("Smoke Gnatzies" - New term for the antis, invented and promoted by Flurry.)
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To: Seajay
This is the END of the tavern business. The type of person who will drop 10-15 dollars on drinks is likely a smoker, a practicioner of risky behavior. Generally non-smokers are a more cautious lot, will have one or at most two drinks. Where the smokers will go is unknown.

The anti-tabacco Nazis will probably employ the same reasoning to get MADD to join their cause.
19 posted on 08/01/2003 7:30:49 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS
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To: litehaus
"Correction---NON-TIPPING, non smokers--if you ask the people who work in this business--they'll tell you..."

If I lived in an area with a ban, then I would also be a non tipping smoker. If I can't have a choice as to what establishments I frequent, then I will not be supplementing someone's income when they were to lazy to protect their rights.
20 posted on 08/01/2003 7:31:23 AM PDT by CSM ("Smoke Gnatzies" - New term for the antis, invented and promoted by Flurry.)
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